Episode 015 – We talk with our former Training Chief, Hunter Hackbarth, on the topic of leading a cadre, which at times means just facilitating or simply getting out of the way. We touch on the importance of pride around the fire station and throughout the department, and how failure should be looked at as an opportunity to get better. Also, does there have to be separation or a barrier between the officer and his/her crew? Between the Chief and his/her staff? Not if you are authentic and have a clear purpose.